found this on the Bibletexts.com by Robert Nguyen Cramer. I would like to get input from Iglesia ni Cristo Church members. I just want all of us to work together. As Christians we are to look after each other. At no time will this forum put up with rude or mean spirited people.
Question/insight #23: “Some of you are interested in various Bible translations. The Lamsa Bible – Aramaic translation, the earliest known aramaic version, is available…”
[Note: This “question/insight” was a comment emailed by a participant in a worldwide biblical email forum in which I participate with clergy of a number of denominations. My response was intended to correct the implication that the Lamsa Bible is a valid representation of the early texts of the Bible. In fact, the Lamsa Bible contains many of the same erroneous additions and modifications to the original texts that did not otherwise begin appearing anywhere in the world until the 16th century. This completely disproves the claim that the Lamsa Bible was translated from early documents — Aramaic or otherwise. The Lamsa Bible is really of little — if any — value to serious biblical study. This conclusion is further attested by noted New-Testament-documents authority Bruce Metzger, whose words describing the Lamsa Bible as “absolute fraud,” are found below, at the end of this webpage.]
Response #23: While the Lamsa Bible is said to be a translation of the Aramaic, it is important to remember that all of the books of the New Testament originally were written in Greek. The Lamsa Bible was translated from the Peshitta, and the Peshitta itself was translated into Syriac* in the fifth century from the Hebrew Old Testament and from 22 of the 27 Greek New Testament writings. The earliest texts of the New Testament that have been found were written in Greek at the end of the first century or the beginning of the second century, which is more than three centuries earlier than the Syria Peshitta.
The earliest known edition of New Testament writings that included Syriac texts was the Diatessaron (around 170 A.D) by Tatian (120-173 A.D.), a Syrian convert to Christianity. Though no Syriac manuscripts of it have ever been found, some of the Syriac text of the Diatessaron survived in a commentary by Ephraem (310-373 A.D.). In order to create the Diatessaron, Tatian combined the four canonical Greek gospels to form one interwoven continuous narrative translated into Syriac. (It is uncertain whether Tatian originally compiled it in Greek and then translated it into Syriac, or whether he translated it directly, bit-by-bit, from the Greek gospels into Syriac.) With the popularity of Ephraem’s commentary and the general absence of other Syriac New Testament texts, the Diatessaron in its many revised editions became the standard text for Syriac speaking countries until the creation of the Peshitta in the fifth century. It was also translated into Latin, Old German, Old Dutch, Persian, Arabic, Old Italian, Middle English, and other languages.
Around 300 A.D. the four gospels, Acts, and fourteen letters attributed to Paul were translated from Greek into Old Syriac, most notably the Syriac Sinaiticus and the Syriac Curetonianus, which may have been a revision of the Sinaiticus. Both of these Old Syriac editions reflect the translation influence of the Diatessaron as well as the textual basis of the Greek Western texts.
The original Peshitta did not include the Old Testament Apocrypha writings that were in the Greek Septuagint, nor did it include 2 Peter, 2 John, 3 John, Jude, and Revelation. All of these books were added to later revisions of the Peshita.
* Note: Syriac is a branch of Aramaic that anciently was spoken in and around the ancient city of Edessa, which at that time was the capital of the independent kingdom of Osroene. Edessa was on the site of what is now modern Urfa, Turkey, and was about 275 kilometers (or 170) miles northeast of ancient Antioch and 725 kilometers or (450 miles) north of Jerusalem. Within the first 200 years of Christianity, Osroene’s King Abgar IX (179-214 A.D.) converted to Christianity along with the rest of his kingdom. Edessa later became a center for Nestorian Christianity.
The Peshitta’s Syriac text of the New Testament is generally an accurate representation in Syriac of the original Greek text, but it could never be as reliable as the original Greek text. The Lamsa translation does reveal a few of the same textual errors in the Syriac text that are found in the King James Version; thus, the Syriac texts from which Lamsa did his translation unfortunately coincide with some of the mistakes in the Greek texts produced by Erasmus, whose New Testament Greek text was the basis for the KJV’s New Testament. The Syriac Peshitta that Lamsa translated into English therefore shared some of the same corrupting textual-transmission traditions as Erasmus’ Greek sources that resulted in errors in the KJV. The following are a few examples of verses that have the same textual errors in both the KJV and Lamsa’s Bible:
* Mat 12:24,27
* Mar 3:22
* Mar 5:1
* Mar 9:29
* Luk 1:28
* Luk 2:14,33,43
* Luk 4:41
* Luk 7:19
* Joh 5:2
* Joh 9:35
If one were going to read the Lamsa Bible, it would be well to read it along with a reliable modern translation, such as the English Standard Version, the New American Bible, New Revised Standard Version, or the Revised English Bible. It would also be well to constantly consult the Greek New Testament, 4th Revised Edition (New York, United Bible Societies, 1983) and/or Bruce Metzger’s A Commentary on the Greek New Testament, 2nd Edition (New York, United Bible Societies, 1994).
Kubo and Specht’s So Many Versions? Twentieth Century English Versions of the Bible (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan) comments:
George M. Lamsa’s translation purports to be produced “from original Aramaic sources.” Lamsa’s original claims for his work are generally questioned. The Peshitta is not be be identified with the “original Aramaic.” Lamsa also adapted some questionable renderings such as “rope” for “camel” in Matt. 19:24, et al.
To read a Web-based article on “The King James Version and its dependence on the Textus Receptus,” you can browse the following webpage:
http://www.bibletexts.com/kjv-tr.htm
For more information on early Syriac editions of the New Testament and their influence, see:
* An Aramaic Approach to the Gospels and Acts, Third Edition, by Matthew Black (Oxford University Press, 1967, the entire book is filled with relevant details, but pages 1-49 and 244-280 provide more overview and summary information.)
* The Canon of the New Testament: Its Origin, Development, and Significance, by Bruce M. Metzger (Oxford: Clarendon Press, especially pages 113-120, 218-223).
* The Critical Edition of Q (Hermeneia), edited by James McConkey Robinson, Paul Hoffmann, John S. Kloppenborg, and Milton C. Moreland (Philadelphia: Fortress, 2000, especially the section, “Papias’ Aramaic logia: From Schleiermacher to Holtzmann”, on pages xx-xxxii, which describes “the general abandonment of the conjecture that Q was origtinally in Aramaic and then translated differently into Greek” [page xxxiii].)
* The Early Versions of the New Testament, by Bruce M. Metzger (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1977, especially pages 1-9.
* The First Edition of the New Testament, by David Trobisch (NY: Oxford University Press, 2000. The entire book explores the authors thesis that the first edition of the entire New Testament was produced in Greek in the middle of the second century A.D.)
* The Journey from Texts to Translations: The Origin and Development of the Bible, by Paul D. Wegner (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academics, 1999, especially pages 244-246.)
* Ruach Qadim: Aramaic Origins of the New Testament, by Andrew Gabriel Roth (Malta: Tushiyah Press, 2005. The author’s thesis is that twenty-two of the original twenty-seven New Testament books, including the four gospels, Acts, and 17 letters, were written not in Greek but in Aramaic, a thesis that Metzger and virtually all other reputable New Testament textual scholars completely dismiss.)
* The Text of the New Testament: Its Transmission, Corruption, and Restoration, Third Edition, by Bruce M. Metzger (NY: Oxford University Press, 1992, especially pages 68-71, 86-92).
* The Text of the New Testament, Revised and Enlarged, by Kurt Aland and Barbara Aland, translated by Erroll F. Rhodes (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1989, especially pages 192-200).
Additional authoritative testimony regarding the worthlessness of the Lamsa Bible
by Bruce Metzger
The words below were spoken by Bruce Metzger, who is the world’s leading authority on New Testament manuscripts and on the Greek text of the New Testament. He made these comments during a question and answer period at the conclusion of a full-day lecture on “Highlights from the Sermon on the Mount,” which he delivered in 1992 at The Foundation for Biblical Research, in Charlestown, New Hampshire, USA. The Foundation has been renamed the “Center for Scriptural Studies” and is now located at 2595 Depot Street Manchester Center, VT 05255-9541, 802-362-2432. The Center for Scriptural Studies webpage may be browsed at http://scripturalstudies.org. The following words were transcribed by Robert Nguyen Cramer, by permission of The Foundation. It is worthwhile noting that Dr. Metzger is a genuinely gentle and mild-mannered individual, but here he spoke with unequivocally strong words when he addressed the issue of the Lamsa Bible.
QUESTION FROM SEMINAR ATTENDEE: Are there not Aramaic documents and manuscripts which would shed authentic light on the career of Jesus? And how does the Aramaic relate to the Greek and to the Hebrew?”
DR. METZGER’S ANSWER: The answer briefly is yes and no. But, of course, I want to expand on that.
The common language of people in Palestine in the first century was the Semitic language related to Hebrew, much as Spanish is related to Portuguese — Aramaic. The word “king” in Hebrew is melek. The word “king” in Aramaic is malkawh. Melek, malkawh — same consonants.
Now Jesus undoubtedly did commonly speak to common people in Aramaic. I think that also on occasion he’d use Greek.
He grew up in Galilee. In the north, Galilee was called, “Galilee of the Gentiles.” Many gentiles living in Galilee — many more in proportion to Jewish people than in Jerusalem. Naturally Jewish people living in Galilee would be bilingual. For business reasons. And I think that Jesus was bilingual, and on some occasions would speak in Greek.
When the Syrophenician woman came to him from outside of Palestine, she would use Greek. He conversed with her in Greek, I’m sure. When in John’s Gospel, Philip comes and says to Jesus, “There are some Greeks who would like to speak with you.” I think that then Jesus would have spoken in Greek. But normally I believe that he would have given much of his teachings in the Aramaic language.
There are four fossils of Aramaic left in the Gospel of Mark. Four remnants in Aramaic. To the little girl, “Talitha cumi” [Mar 5:41] — “Girl, I say to you, get up.” To the blind man, “ephphatha” [Mar 7:34] — “be opened.” In his prayer in Gethsemene, “Abba, Father” [Mar 14:36]. Abba is still today the common usage in Palestine, meaning, “Father,” “Daddy.” And on the cross, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani” [Mar 15:34] — “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me.” Those four remnants are still preserved in Mark’s Gospel — of Aramaic, from the lips of Jesus.
Yes, there are Aramaic documents, especially now that the Qumran Dead Sea Scrolls have come to light — that were written about the time of Jesus — documents in Hebrew and Aramaic that are non-religious documents. Some of them are religious documents. They help us to understand the ambiance of society at that time. So that’s the “yes” part of my answer.
But the “no” part to your question is this: We have no records in manuscript form of the gospels in Aramaic. There are no Aramaic documents of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John left. All we have are Greek documents of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. So — except for these four fossils that are left embedded in the text of Mark, the four brief statements or words in Aramaic from Jesus — no! And people today that sell books and say, “Oh, here, I have translated the Aramaic documents of the gospels” — they are frauds. They’re out for our money. Don’t be taken in by such works.
George Lamsa, L-A-M-S-A, who in the 1940s persuaded a reputable publisher of the Bible in Philadelphia, the Winston Publishing Company, to issue his absolute fraud, of ‘the Bible translated from the original Aramaic.’ Absolutely a money getter, and nothing else.
He said that ‘the whole of the New Testament was written in Aramaic,’ and he ‘translates it from the Aramaic,’ but he never would show anybody the manuscripts that he translated from. Secondly, why would Paul write in Aramaic, let us say, to the people of Galatia? They didn’t know any more Aramaic than people in Charlestown or Princeton know Aramaic. Why would Paul write to the Romans in Aramaic? They didn’t know Aramaic. So, even from a logical point of view, it’s silly to say that ‘the whole of the New Testament was written in Aramaic.’
Jesus orally communicated some of these teachings in Aramaic. We have a record of that today in Greek manuscripts.
So, yes and no. Chiefly no.
may i just ask where can i find locales of church of christ in greece??
I have no ideal my friend, Felix that started that church is not Christian, Its a cult. Felix’s family runs it now. Get as far away from “Iglesia ni Cristo that Felix started as you can. They have it set up to where anyone that wants to make contact on the internet has to go through the main head quarters. They keep a tight fist on the operation. they own 40 companies i read.
i am very much interested in your mention of 40 companies owned by the manalos. can you site the source of the article where you read it? or your comment is just one of those false accusations. just asking
Can u prove that,a solid evidence or only you are having hatred and envy because of what they are now,they have this world largest dome in the world,only a minor church did that and not a government…what is your religion sir? did your religion made your churches painted new all the time,do they make new churches structure globally..before prestigious religions wanted this church to go down.They wishes not this religion to go far and members of them even trow stones while the Iglesia ni Cristo are praying..The true God will not allow a certain church like this to be what they are now if this is only a deceitful way of Satan to bring people lost and be mistaken in their belief..God let this happen to show that people should scrutinized their belief and religion before its too late,Before you accuse someone and say stupid things against your neighbor make sure you have proof and must be factual.Be civilized and dont believe on hearsay.
hi im filipino and catholic i just wanna ask why is it iglesia ni cristo has two explanation on my lord and my god one says thomas was wrong to call jesus as god jose ventilacion on his debate with karl keating said thomas was absent on some occasion there fore he made a mistake to call jesus god ..while the other say thomas was surprise and said MY GOD both are so funny and yes please answer ok
Thomas acknowledge that JESUS is truly a LORD & GOD. Remember Jesus did not say to thomas oh thomas you are wrong I am not your LORD & GOD..
Paul that just goes to show you what kind of mindset of this cult. To say that Tomas made a mistake to call Jesus God is crazy, He spent time with Jesus in person and knew him.
use your brain stupid and watch this!
If you have DirecTV, you can watch Iglesia ni Cristo programs in the comfort and privacy of you own home. The channel is 2068. Or you can email them at pasugo@inc.org.ph.
THE TRUTH
Read Revelation 1:8 and check out the words of Jesus himself. I AM Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord God, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
In this one text Jesus subscribes to himself the same titles used of God in the Old Testament. If Jesus is not God, he lied when he claimed to John to be the Lord God. Jesus claims he is the LORD GOD, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the ALMIGHTY! For the Iglesia Ni Cristo group to claim Jesus was only a man is to call Jesus a liar. Who do we believe, the Iglesia Ni Cristo and the central administration or Jesus?
BIG PROBLEM! What about his last baptism and the authority to baptise new converts into his new religion? DID FELIX USE A BAPTISM FROM ONE OF THE PRIOR DEVIL RELIGIONS AS HIS AUTHORITY TO BAPTIZE INTO HIS NEW RELIGION?
Bible translation of George Lamsa. They loved his translation of “Church of God” into “Church of Christ” in Acts 20:28.
Authorised Version
English Standard Version
Good News Bible
Holman Christian Standard Bible
J B Phillips New Testament
King James Version
The Living Bible
The Message
New American Bible
New American Standard Bible
New International Version
(New) Jerusalem Bible
New King James Bible
New Living Translation
(New) Revised Standard Version
Today’s English Version
Today’s New International Version
These bible translations of Acts 20:28 is “8Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.”
LAMSA vs. 17 BIBLE Translations with the same point on Church of God purchases by his OWN BLOOD
INC explains the four angels on the four corners of the earth in Revelation 7:
“Ang apat na anghel na pumipigil sa hangin ay mga pinuno ng bansa, na ito’y mga sugo rin o anghel ayon sa I Ped. 2:13-14. Ang hanging pinipigil ay digmaan, gaya ng sinasabi sa Jer. 4:11-13, 19. Ito nga ang digmaang sumiklab noong 1914. Ang apat na pinuno ng bansa na kumakatawan sa pagpigil sa digmaang sumiklab noong 1914 ay sina Lloyd George ng Gran Bretanya, sina Clemenceau ng Pransiya, si Orlando ng Italya at Wilson ng Amerika. Sila ay lalong kilala sa tawag na The Big Four” (World History, p. 494).”
Translation: “The four angels holding the winds were leaders of nations, who were also messengers, or angels, as written in I Pet. 2:13-14. The wind that they were controlling refers to war as mentioned in Jer. 4:11-13, 19. This was the war that broke out on 1914. The four leaders of nations who worked on the prevention of the war, which broke out in 1914, were Lloyd George of Great Britain, Clemenceau of France, Orlando of Italy, and Wilson of America. They were better known as the Big Four” (World History, p. 494)–(Pasugo, July 1964, p. 33).
Now get this: it would be Felix Manalo to instruct George, Clemenceau, Orlando, and Wilson, NOT TO HURT THE EARTH UNTIL THEY (Manalo and these four), HAD SEALED THE 144,000 IN THEIR FOREHEADS. Did Felix Manalo DO THIS? No! Did he even write letters to these four men-angels? No! Did he call them on the hot-line? No! Did he send them a telegram? No! Did he send a smoke signal message? No! Did Manalo and these four men seal 144,000 in their foreheads with the seal of God? No! Did Manalo and these four men even try to seek out the 144,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel? No! Manalo came to America we are told in 1919 and did not even send a post card to President Wilson. Lies, Lies, Lies, and these people really believe they are the true Church of Christ?
Who were the Big Four?
The Big Four were the Allied leaders who met at the Paris Peace Conference in January 1919, after World War I (1914–18). They were President Woodrow Wilson (1856–1924) of the United States, Prime Minister David Lloyd George (1863–1945) of Britain, Premier Georges Clemenceau (1841–1929) of France, and Premier Vittorio Orlando (1860–1952) of Italy. The Allies included twenty more nations and representatives from all the countries attended the conference. The decisions, however, were made by these four heads of state. Other representatives formed committees to work out the details of treaties signed by each of the Central Powers (Austria-Hungary, Germany, Bulgaria, and the Ottoman Empire): the Treaty of Versailles was signed with Germany; the Treaty of St. Germain, with Austria; the Treaty of Neuilly, with Bulgaria; the Treaty of Trianon, with Hungary; and the Treaty of Sevres, with the Ottoman…
Does Felix Manalo went to Paris Peace Conference
Disputed Verses website http://www.geocities.com/truthfinder_inc/
OT
Genesis 1:26″Elohim”
Isaiah 7:14″Immanuel”
Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 42:13
Isaiah 46:11
Micah 5:2
NT
Matthew 1:23
Matthew 4:7
Matthew 28:19
John 1:1″and the Word was God”
John 5:18
John 8:58″I Am”
John 10:18
John 10:30″I and my Father are one”
John 14:8
John 17:5Glory of Christ
John 20:28″My Lord and My God”
Philippians 2:5-6″In the form of God”
Romans 9:5
Colossians 2:9
Hebrews 1:8″Your throne O God”
1 Timothy 3:16″God is manifest in the flesh”
Titus 2:13″The Great God and savior”
1 John 5:7″and there are three that bears record in heaven”
1 John 5:20″This is the true God and eternal Life”
Revelation 1:8″ I am the Alpha and the Omega”
Whey they have disputed verses from the BIBLE if it is far from their belief”
Obey what is written and commandment who are they to dispute the scriptures they didn’t even wrote a single verse? We cannot command the scriptures to only pick what is applied to oneself’s faith but believing all that is written and be your faith by prayer even though its hard and painful BECAUSE IT IS WRITTEN. No one can change what is written
bro,
i am planning to go to ghana for job assignment most probably by april this year, once i reach there, i will contact u. let me know your email address. my email thonypasia@gmail.com.
regards…
mula sa aking pag ka bata. tinulungan mo ako maging mananampalataya.
higit sa iyong buhay, inuna mo pa ang mag malasakit sa amin,
sa pag susumikap mo dinala mo kami sa aming kahalalan,
sa pag mamahal mo iminulat mo kmi sa katotohanan.
kaya sa pag lisan mo isang malaking kawalan sa amin,
ngunit di nmin isasawang bahala ang iyong pag papagal,
at pag ibig sa bawa’t isa.
marami pong salamat mahal na kapatid
sa maraming pag sasakripisyo mo sa amin.
inihanda nyo po ang kabuuan ng IGLESIA NI CRISTO,
sa KASAKDALAN ng pag lilingkod.
salamat po sa lahat, sa pag mamalasakit mo
pinag hirapan mo ang lahat ng ito
kaya dapat ka lng po nmin parangalan ka sa iyong kabutihan
mas inuna mo kami mga kapatid mo kaysa sa
iyong pamilya higit sa lahat sa iyong sarili.
pinag buklod mo kami bilang isang iglesia,
iglesiang mananampalatay na my takot sa dios
naganap n nga po ang hula.
salamat mahal na kapatid.
mananatili ka pong buhay sa aming puso,
sa aming lahat na iyong kapatid kay cristo,
sa muli nating pag kikita sa bayang banal.
sa lahat ng mga kaptid sa loob ng IGLESIA NI CRISTO
andito na po tayo sa pintuan wag na po tau manlupaypay
patatagin ang anting sarili
sa nalalapit na pag dating ni cristo
ang aking pakikidalamhatid at kasama nyo ako sa lahat at buong pusong
pag bibigay galang sa ating mahal na kapatid….
dancel john de leon
distrito ng middle east
doha qatar
hi ka dancel.
anu address ng lokal jan sa doha qatar? or if pwede can i get the telephone number.. thanks
hi ka dancel,..
kmsta po??puedi po bng mlaman kung saan ung place ng pgsamba d2 sa qatar plss po thank u..
i have a friend there in doha ,,, d nia alm ung kapilya jan po …
dancel john de leon
distrito ng middle east
doha qatar
ka christyl here from fhomes bulacan,,,wana know din po sana locale jan sa doha…il be working in the hospi there soon.,,nurse po aq..heres my email christylanda_rn@yahoo.com
ur reply will be a great help..tnx in the email provide info,,,locale,,prk grp at ibig sabihin ng kadiwa..pati paboritong awit…tayo lang xe nakaalam nun,hahaha.tnx.
hi! my name is Mylene Romulo, i’m new here po in qatar.. pwede ko po din ba malaman kng saan ang locale dito sa doha? here’s my email add kung pwede po sana may magmessage, i will really appreciate po.. thanks. myles11782@yahoo.com
dancel john de leon
distrito ng middle east
doha qatar
ka christyl here from fhomes bulacan,,,wana know din po sana locale jan sa doha…il be working in the hospi there soon.,,nurse po aq..heres my email christylanda_rn@yahoo.com
ur reply will be a great help..tnx in the email provide info,,,locale,,prk grp at ibig sabihin ng kadiwa..pati paboritong awit…tayo lang xe nakaalam nun,hahaha.tnx po.
magandang gabi sau kapitid aku po ay isang kaanib sa iglseia ni cristo
gusto ku po sanang malaman if kung meron po bang taung kapilya at san ko po ito
matatagpuan…..dito pu aku naun sa doha qatar….maraming salamt po
kailan po ilalabas ang susunod na magazine ng pasugo?
wag padadala mga kapatid sa mga paninira ng mga nagpapanggap na mga scholarly, siting evidences which are thwarted facts. kahit anong gawin ninyo, di ninyo matitinag ang mga kaanib sa Iglesia Ni Cristo na natatakan ng espiritu santo. Mabuhay ang mga kapatid ng Iglesia Ni Cristo sa buong mundo!
hi… i just want to know where is the lcoation of church in doha qatar?! i really need the address. hop you can help me.thanks in advance just email me heaven_ayeka@yahoo.com hope can help me sisters and brothers
Jesus speak the truth about himself ….John 8:40
Jesus is Christ ….John 8:24,28
Jesus teaches that there is only God…John 17:3
Jesus disciples learned and teaches the truth… 1Tim 2:5
We the members of Iglesia Ni Cristo believe the true
teaching…1 John 5:1
Who is now the liar …1 John 2:22 – is the promoter of Anti Christ teachings
The Bible tells us to know them by their friut. I have been a Christain for 35 years and I studied the doctrins of the INC and conpleted all 28 lessons. They tried very hard to discourage me and dragged out the lessons for over a year. It is their requirment that you attend both weekly services for 6 months without missing a service without agood excuse.I asked to become a member, and for an exemption from the requirement of attending the midweek service due to the logistics of traveling 80 miles round trip and my disability, which would make it a hardship and not even possible for me. I was denied any special concidersation and was treated very rudely and hatefully by the Minister and all the Elders. The Church of the INC is lacking in Love. “if you have not love it profits you nothing” This Church has no fruit of the Spirit of Love. It’s about mind control and kissing Administrations asses. It has a form of Godliness but, denies the power thereof.
kumusta po mga kabagis.. pwede po bang malaman ang lugar ng sambahan sa Qatar? please po kc po dun po magwowork ang father ko.. pls help me po mga kapatid sa pananampalataya..just email me po..
Hi, I am looking for a guy to be with. He must be a member of Iglesia Ni Cristo.
aQ.. puede…
im glad to have you..
plz. txt me in my no. 09122535132.
gudluck…!
hello. po.. ka dancel, pwede ko po ba mlaman ang exact adress ng local po ng doha qatar,, meron po kc aqng family member na pupunta dun at magwowork, sana po mkareply kau.. email nyo nlang po ako sa dhonamoju@gmail.com tnx po ng madami… god bless po..
mga kapatid lam nyo ba ung qatar steel company my malapit bang lokal dun
the INC is really great.I believe that this is the true church
that build our Lord Jesus Crist!brothers and sisters be strong sa lahat ng mga trials na darating sa buhay coz
alam natin lahat tayong mga Iglisia na malapit na paghuhukom.
mabuhay sa lahat ng mga kapatid na nanatiling matatag hanggang ngayon!God bless us all!
All who dares to fight the INC’s members…You will be a Disgrace!!..
im trying to look and find out the whereabouts of my dear friend Ms. Jane C. Munez,originally from calapan orriental mindoro .likewise my lats known info of her is within the local of washington in Manila. any helpful information can be relayed thru my e mail, commando2081@yahoo.com , im currently working here in Saudi Arabia and have to go back soon to Philippines due to medical reasons….since i dont have much time left.i would be grateful in any assistance coming from any INC members, hoping forward to all of your help….thanks and more power to you all. allan diaz
KINGDOM OF OURS
The lord promise
To his church,
Bright lights are coming
When this earth goes down.
They’re great town
Wonder of the land,
Great fields of brilliant stone
Peaceful living of ours.
All over the fields
Crystal and gold are shine,
We meet each other
There are no doubt and cry.
For the church of Christ
For the sadness which we face
Don’t be afraid of…
Wait for triumphs drum.
Jalandoon, Melvin
Puerto Princesa City, Philippines
sana po mapose po e2 s pasugo,filipino section 2 inspire my family and friends.
thank u po.
w8 ko po s nxt edition ng pasugo po.
gudluck po.
sir i have i friend before and his name is carlito muncal,an iglesia ni cristo member,sir i want to report to you that this man run away with so much money here in saudi arabia,the last thing we heard is that this guy is already there in dubai.please anyone help us find this man,our family is suffering there in the phillippines.thank you
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Jesus is God – What does the Bible say about Jesus’ deity?
Does the Bible, which is the earliest and most historically reliable source, actually say Jesus is God? What does it tell us about Jesus and His identity?
Let’s take a brief look at a few of the many passages that clearly and consistently answer that question, straight from the pages of Scripture. We’ll begin by going back an additional 700 years before the life of Christ, to the Old Testament book of Isaiah.
Jesus is God – Prophecies
Divine Messiah predicted in the Old Testament
Isaiah 7:14: “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.”1
“Immanuel” literally means: “God with us.” See also Matthew 1:23; Jesus was “God with us.”
This Messiah would be born a human son, but have a higher nature
Isaiah 9:6: “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”
This was a radical statement coming from a monotheistic Jewish prophet — especially calling a human being “Mighty God”; but one that God fulfilled centuries later in Christ.
A couple hundred years later, but still more than half a millennium before Jesus walked the earth, more was predicted about the Messiah’s divine nature
Daniel 7:13-14: “There before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven . . . He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.”
“Son of Man” was the primary title Jesus used for Himself — and this passage shows that this was a clear and strong claim of deity. And in Mark, the earliest of the four Gospels, He also included the unmistakable phrase, “coming on the clouds of heaven” and applied it to Himself (Mark 14:62). His listeners got the point, refused to believe it, and added it to their reasons to try to kill Him.
Jesus is God – His Earthly Ministry
The baby Jesus worshiped by the Magi
Matthew 2:11: “On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him.”
Along with being led to the site where Jesus was born, these Magi were apparently informed by God about Jesus’ divine identity, and so they responded appropriately by worshiping Him.
Jesus accepted worship from His disciples
Matthew 14:32-33: “And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God.’”
In a Jewish culture, only the one true God can be worshiped; their actions show that they acknowledged Jesus as being divine. And Jesus didn’t correct them or say, “Don’t you realize that I’m just a mortal prophet? Stop worshiping me!” Rather, He accepted their worship, knowing He really was God in human flesh.
Jesus’ claim about Himself
John 8:58-59: “‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’ At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.”
This is a powerful double claim from Jesus: first, that He pre-existed His human birth and was actually alive and present (as God) before Abraham; second, that His title was “I am” — which was the same title used for Jehovah God in Exodus 3:14. His listeners again got the point, and picked up stones to execute Him!
Another of Jesus’ claims of deity
John 10:30-33: “‘I and the Father are one.’ Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, ‘I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?’ ‘We are not stoning you for any of these,’ replied the Jews, ‘but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.’”
It couldn’t be clearer than it is here: Jesus’ highly educated listeners understood His claim of deity. They only had two possible responses: to humble themselves and bow before Him as the Magi and the disciples had done earlier, or reject His claim and judge Him as a blasphemer. Unfortunately they chose the latter option. But notice that Jesus doesn’t argue with their accusation, because it was accurate. He really was claiming to be God!
Thomas’ response to the resurrected Jesus
John 20:27-29: “Then He said to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.’ Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’”
This disciple realized, because of Jesus’ resurrection, who Jesus really was — and humbly worshiped Him and declared His true identity: “My Lord and my God!” Jesus not only accepts this declaration, but blesses all of the disciples — and all of us today — who come to the same realization and place of humble worship.
Wake Up Brothers. Read the Bible intently. INC ministers carry different translations of the Bible but they shy away reading their perverted verses blaspheming Jesus Christ. Acts 20:28 and Romans 16:16 will tell you “Church or Churches of God” in all Bible translations which these ministers bring in their pulpit. Why is it that Lamsa’s translation is the only one saying Church of Christ on said verses. It is pure perversion of the manuscript. If INC ministers uses different translations in their pulpit, then those translations would have only 2 meaning of said verse. Either Lamsa is wrong because he is the only 1 who translated that verse as “Church of Christ” stated in Romans 16:16 and Acts 20:28 OR JESUS is REALLY GOD. Jesus did not rebuke Thomas when he said “My Lord and MY GOD” on Jesus’ resurrection.
Please read your Bible brothers before it’s too late. “And you will know the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall set you FREE”
It is ironic that I could not see a single INC member (just the ordinary church attendee) bringing a Bible during their what they call “PAGSAMBA”. It is not true that only the ministers have the right knowledge to interpret the Scriptures to you. You yourselves can do that with the wisdom given by God thru the Holy Spirit.
You will not lose anything believing that JESUS IS GOD, instead you will gain everything because you have known the TRUTH. Jesus said, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty. (John 6:35 NIV). “Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee” (Psalm 119:11). David read the manuscript. Joshua teaches “Do not let this Book of the Law depart from your mouth; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful” (Joshua 1:8). You can not meditate on something you just heard on passing. It should be read by your ownselves.
My plead is for all of you INC to wake up from your slumbering spirit and the Holy Spirit will guide you in the right path to TRUE SALVATION.
May God bless you all.
Jesus followed God’s command on baptism. Jesus was baptized by John. Who then baptized Felix Manalo when he founded the Iglesia ni Cristo? Feliz Manalo was born a Catholic who, out of his arrogance making himself equal with Jesus made a mockery of the religion. He lost in a debate to a Seventh Day Adventist and even became a pastor in that religion. He committed fornication with a deaconess and made her pregnant reason why they were expelled from that church (tiniwalag sa Tagalog). He even co-founded a branch church of the Seventh Day Adventists in Taguig. After his adventure in the Seventh Day Adventist he joined a cult for a short time. During his membership in this cult he locked himself in a room for 3 days until he came out and presto, he founded what he called his “true religion” (according to him). Sounds like Gautama Buddha who also locked himself in the room and found his religion upon coming out. In his sick bed, he was confined in the Manila Sanitarium (hospital run by the Seventh Day Adventist) and confessed he taught the wrong doctriine to the people but he could not change it anymore as there are so many members already and he is afraid the church might collapse if the members will know that he taught a wrong faith and doctrine. Verify with the Seventh Day Adventists regarding these facts.
i just wanna ask that if theres a church near from alfanar in quatar..
i just wanna ask that if there is a church near from alfanar in quatar..
BROTHER EVM… has been my inspiration, ang I will always continue to fulfill my divine duty to the LORD GOD @ OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST until the end. I will pray to GOD that He may continue to bless the whole around the world
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MAAARI PO BNG MLAMAN KUNG MAY PAGSAMBA TAYO SA JEDDAH? PWEDE KO PO BANG MKUHA ANG EXACT LOCATION OR CONTACT PERSON?
“Jesus told him, “I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE. No one can come through the FATHER except THROUGH ME.” -John 14:6
THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST WHO WAS GIVEN BY GOD FOR SALVATION OF ALL MEN AND THERE IS NO OTHER NAME GIVEN UNDER HEAVEN EXCEPT THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.. – Acts 4:10-12
THE FOCUS OF YOUR SALVATION SHOULD BE SOLELY UPON CHRIST AND NO ONE ELSE.
pls,pwedi po ba malaman ang local at address dito sa qatar ng i.n.c.local po ako ng cabanatuan city.matagal na po ako nag hahanap ng bahay sambahan dito sa doha.pwedin po ba makuha ang tel,maraming salamat po.kapatid na jun.
pls,pwedi po ba malaman ang local at address dito sa qatar ng i.n.c.local po ako ng cabanatuan city.matagal na po ako nag hahanap ng bahay sambahan dito sa doha.pwedin po ba makuha ang tel,maraming salamat po.kapatid na jun.email.espejo.jr59@yahoo.com
tanong ko lang po kung may pagsamba sa jeddah?
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alin po ba ang mas masama, ang kumain ng dugo na mababasa mo sa Bibliya o yung paninigarilyo?
I had never heard that.
to whom it may concern
anyone can help me to convert INC? am a born catholic, it’s just my problum is am workin with the us military and am assigned in middle east, our base is near saudi arabia, please if anyone concern to help me, pls email me, here’s my email : etorvalds@yahoo.ca thanks so much and more power to INC and member’s
You want to be a INC member? The only way a person would join the INC is to know nothing about God’s word and that’s the Bible. Or a person that wants to leave Christianity.
INC likes to target Roman Catholics because most roman Catholics dont study the bible and that makes them a very easy targets to be new members of INC.
yah i wana be an INC member, and yah you’re right am startin to kno and read bible and watch over INC video bible discussion over the net, and am willin to leave christianity, pls if you can help me how pls lemme kno, my parents are both philipino and they are christian, but am confused bout the images and statues inside the catholic churches so i never attend mass from the start, i’ve learned alot watchin INC videos over the net, but am not yet satisfy, i wana be a member can you help me how?
If you’re parents believe in statues and images they’re catholics. Christians dont have images to worship God. it is based on the bible soley. Christianity is not a religion it is a relationship. I suggest that you look for a christian church in your area.
Roman Catholics left the Gospel of Jesus Christ about 1500 years ago. Did you not know this?
They have their own Gospel. Felix Manalo has his own gospel that he made up.
Do you see what I was saying . Roman Catholics are easy to get. Very very few study the bible.
This is why you want to join INC.
I am not Roman Catholic . I have never been Roman Catholic. I can not become a Roman Catholic because I know the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I do not need a pope or a Felix Manalo, I have Jesus Christ.
You know that I am telling the truth about you not knowing God’s word. Unless you are lying to yourself. If you knew God’s word you would never want to get near Felix Manalo and his church that he invented. If yo uwant to burn in hell with Felix, that’s your choice. I have done my part as a Christian. I have pointed you in the right direction.
You are like most people. You have had your whole life to know God’s word. But most people dont know God’s word because they enjoying doing what they want to do.
Felix cannot save
A Pope cannot save.
Jesus Saves!
Matthew 7:14 (NKJV)
14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Matthew 22:14 (NIV)
14 “For many are invited, but few are chosen.”
Most people dont study the Bible. You see my friend. If you dont know God’s word you can get pulled in any direction.
Scott in Houston
tanong ko lang po kung may workship service po bha sa jeddah… pwede po bhang malamn ang schedule? email nyo lang po sa aileenmagunot00@gmail.com thank u po im from davao city….
tanong ko lng po kung san at anong oras po ang mga pagsamba s qatar..magttrabaho po kc asawa ko dun..paki email nlng po ako zhey_kuleeet01@yahoo.com
hello sir, tanong ko po kung saan yung pagsamba sa Jeddah.
hi gusto ko sana mlaman kung san sa doha ang locale para mkapagpatuloy po ng asawa ko ang pgsamba tnx po please email me..
pede ku po bang makuha ung location @ tel no. ng
ING dito sa qatar sana po makasagort kau….
almariorosalie27@yahoo.com yan po ang email add ku
hintayin ku po ung sagot nio..maraming salamat po
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I’m in saihat Saudi,please help me to know where is the nearest meeting place of Inc here.thank you
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